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  • chanduy9
    07-05 01:59 PM
    If this guy from USCIS (Emilio T. Gonzalez) is an anti immigrant then he might think this is an appreciation from anti immigrants. dont you want to convey to him that these flowers are actually from people who got screwed by him and uscis


    Pls my post very carefully...it is

    Select Occasion: "Sympathy".....and you can write some msg in the card too...it explains from where it is coming and what it means...

    guys think +ve.

    Thanks,
    Chandra.




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  • bvibhu
    07-19 09:43 PM
    Count me in...




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  • sam2006
    07-19 10:27 PM
    thank you guys

    can we reach 30 tomorrow ?
    Yes we can




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  • h1techSlave
    05-01 04:56 PM
    Can you add another question in the poll?

    Would you be willing to contribute towards this work? (Hiring a lawyer/FOIA request etc.)

    Done, added poll.



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  • actaccord
    02-17 11:21 AM
    effective marketing...something called MLM was used and some false promises.

    This event cannot run based on MLM or false promises.

    It can be successful only if every member understands their contribution and participation is key for this event and they are the one who can solve their immigration issue by taking this event seriously.

    What is the difference between the two? IMO, two words "Effective Marketing". Come on, where are the MBA's among us who can offer strategy? Actually I feel we are so backward that we don't even need MBA's to improve from here, just any simple ideas




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  • sankap
    07-10 03:05 PM
    I agree--make your own decision for your peace of mind. Under W2, you're an employee and your employer does the taxes. On 1099, you're self-employed and you do the taxes, and also deduct business expenses. However, being on W2 does *not* mean that you've a job for unlimited period of time. A lot of recruiters for contract jobs (e.g., a 3-month contract) give you the option of joining under W2 or 1099.--e.g., $70/hr on 1099 or $60/hr or W2. Being on W2 should *not* be construed as being on a "permanent" job.

    At the end of the day, it's all a question of your peace of mind. You can take this 6-month contract on W2 and take comfort in your (wrong) thinking that you're on a "permanent" job, or you can take that contract on 1099 and (wrongly) worry that you're on a "temporary thing."

    you got to make your decision dude, however, in my case, i would opt for W2. 1099 is a temporary thing... thats my opinion... you did not ask me specifically to share this, but hey, this is a public forum... :-)



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  • kshitijnt
    04-30 01:56 AM
    This could be dream. I have been waiting for last 4 Yrs to see my date to be current. It took 3 Yrs to move just 6 months. Mine is 12/2001(EB3-India). 2 more months..sorry 2 more years to wait...

    I don't blame anyone. EB3 are less educated or less skilled than EB2. America wants Highly educated. They process EB2 first. Any leftovers Visas will be given to EB3 guys. Hence EB3 people have to face long waiting. This is my understanding of how they process EB3...


    There is a separate quota for EB1 and EB2 and EB3. EB3 category has highest number of applicants.




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  • vij
    06-08 05:45 PM
    How long does it take to get the notification letter once checks are cleared



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  • sanjay
    02-09 01:33 PM
    Done with paypal.

    Payment Sent (Unique Transaction ID #2LU89675UY3759432)
    Date:Feb. 9, 2009
    Time:10:15:06 PST
    Status:Completed
    Amount sent:-$25.00 USD
    Fee:$0.00 USD
    Total:$25.00 USD

    Will do another in 15 days.




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  • BharatPremi
    03-28 11:12 AM
    At one end it is bad that USCIS moved back Nebraska Processing date to June 08 2007 (More than one month backword) but it looks like USCIS is preparing itself to kick EB3-India ahead... It is too early to say this confidently.. But my feeling is that USCIS will keep processing dates tied to June 2007 and will kick EB3-India ahead. I am keeping my fingers crossed. Though as per murthy's web site in May bulletin EB3-India dates will remain same, I am feeling that if my guess is correct then at least from June bulletin we will see 2 patterns 1) Nebraka processing date would not move ahead for some months or will
    move ahead very slowly from June 08 2007
    2) Eb3-India PD dates will move ahead speedily. To me it looks like USCIS is now prepared to kick EB3-I (Till June 2003 PD) lot out.



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  • alias
    08-18 02:59 PM
    No with love and logic... By the way check your PM. Let me know if I am guessing it right about who u are?

    I don't check my PMs, post your questions here on the board.




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  • tonyHK12
    02-25 08:32 AM
    Contributed $100. Your transaction ID for this payment is: 6WA26225ME502873T

    go IV!



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  • apahilaj
    02-03 07:44 PM
    I have been waiting for the FP in the hope that they will be issuing it soon, its already Feb and I have not received it yet. Im the only one who has not recieved the notice yet in my friends circle, I have opened an SR last week. Mine is TSC application. Are there any TSC guys yet to receive the FP notices. Overall are there a significant number of people still waiting or is it just a few of us
    Thanks

    Hi,

    What is your 485 notice date and which state are you residing?




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  • bsnf
    07-07 12:02 PM
    DC is the right place even on a weekend also just protesting infront of the uscis office will get media attention .....we should plan for this.i know less than 1000 people will be a failure ..can we try to get the mood of the IV for this kind of event ...

    I live in Raleigh, NC and am willing to come to DC. I will try and check if any of my friends are interested.



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  • go2roomshare
    07-05 01:49 PM
    i do not understand the fuss about it. why do we over react to it. Big law firms like FDBL ( fragmon) all said the lawsuit is not winnable no chance , DOS can change VB any time as per federal law. whats the use of all this??
    we should find some way through congress, not just fighting USCIS for short term beneifts for EAD/AP's etc.




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  • redddiv
    07-11 08:06 AM
    Can some one start a peaceful protest in Florida/Georgia



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  • gchopes
    12-26 10:46 AM
    I didnt have to open an SR to get the FP.

    - gchopes




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  • ramus
    06-05 08:18 PM
    Like I said in another thred, this message is not for any individual so please don't take it personal..
    Thanks to all who already contributed.. Those who haven't yet please do it now..



    In spite of all the forum spamming, I have contributed, thank you

    And yes, I've sent multiple faxes to every senator.

    And yes, I've visited, phoned and emailed multiple senators and congressmen.

    And yes, I've sent approximately 700 emails to media outlets nationwide

    PLEASE stop spamming the forums




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  • bmoni
    05-01 12:04 AM
    ..




    chantu
    07-21 07:01 PM
    Priority Date - Nov 2006
    EAD Renewal Mailed - July 12, 2008
    Received by USCIS - July 14,2008
    Notice Date - July 15, 2008
    Received Receipts - July 21, 2008




    eb3_nepa
    05-02 11:33 AM
    Ragz thanks for removing the unnecessary quotes :)



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  • krishnam70
    07-11 07:02 PM
    Are you a journalist by any chance? :D


    As i mentioned in the thread Gandhigiri in one of my first posts to support the flower campaign idea.. Rosa parks was the inspiration for MLK in this country for the civil disobedience This is very similar to how Gandhiji got the idea of Satyagraha from - guess who? Kasturba Gandhi.

    We need to carry on more things like this in a non-violent way at grassroots level to increase the visibility. Imagine what Gandhiji did in the 1940's with the entire media controlled by the Brits and with no other medium of communication available. We are in a far better situation right now we have access to media, can create our own blogs and we should use it to make our presence felt and highlight the injustice done to us.




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  • rbharol
    10-25 12:12 PM
    Lets wait another two weeks and see who wins :)

    If opinion polls and media coverage are any indication, it appears democrats shall rule
    the house.

    For us the best congress would be the one which passes SKIL bill.

    It was unfortunate that despite Republicans ruling the house, they did not even discuss
    anything on immigration, specially for high tech skilled workers, even though SKIL was
    introduced by Republican leaders.

    I hope they do *something* during lame duck session.




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  • dish
    05-03 12:45 PM
    Before SKIL bill there were Talent Bill and PACE act which were pending for a long time. the senate has not taken up the immigration reform debate yet. and it can be postponed forever. So how much hope is there for SKIL bill ?
    Also after senate, there is a bigger hurdle, the house of representatives. Remember the Budget Reconciliation Bill was passed in Senate with the Immigration related Clauses. But was stripped off in the House. So is there any hope ?

    Sorry I am being Skeptical. But apart from some media publicity, IV does'nt have brought up anything good to the Legal Immigrants community.

    Have IV recieved any Positive Responses for the faxes being sent. Will the Backlog elimination Centers Improve their processing speed, and transparency of cases?

    I am on H4 visa, So I am dumped. and Here is my friend who had to resign her job because her 6 yrs limit on H visa. and We are feeling depressed day by day in this UNFAIR IMMIGRATION SYSTEM. Aren't H4 spouses considered as Immigrants ?




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  • dkann
    08-25 05:01 PM
    I applied for EAD and AP renewal on June 30. I received AP approval on July 18th and got EAD approved on August 15th.

    dkann



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  • gc4me
    07-29 11:44 AM
    Why did you file EAD? Waste of money. You will be getting your GC anytime. EB2 ROW is curent.

    EAD Paper filed at TCS EB2 ROW

    USCIS Receipt date: April 18, 08
    FP done: July 22, 08

    No LUDs, No EAD yet.




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  • pappu
    03-22 10:23 AM
    I and my wife have been SCREAMING, FIGHTING for over four years now. We are now so frustrated that we have EVEN DISCUSSED THINGS LIKE TAKING UP OUR LIVES !!! I really mean it. For both of us, our career is the single most important thing.
    We had decided to wait for our next step in life like having a kid or putting in a big investment till we both at least have a job. Inspite of both of us having Masters degress from US universities, we are both suffering - me languishing in a filthy job and my wife on H4 - for the past 5 years !!! She is now more than 35 making it difficult to have kids etc...
    I don't have the choice of going back to my home country due to many other personal reasons. I just don't know what to do... I am losing my sanity.
    are you interested in talking to a reporter?
    let us know asap. we have a reporter looking to do a story on H4 people and how it affects families. If you/anyone else is interested, post your story in 'tell us your story thread' and update your profile with name email and phone number so that we can contact you.



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  • vikki76
    09-29 04:48 PM
    For variety of reasons, I wish to explore option of consulting instead of permanent corporate job. Can I do consulting in my own name directly or do I need to be associated with some company?
    Green card (EB-2, Nov 29,2004 PD) application is in my name. I have filed 485 this July and expecting my EAD any time. I will be invoking AC21 after 6 months.
    But need answer to this question
    A. Consult on own?
    B. Go through a consulting company?

    I prefer option A.




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  • h1bmajdoor
    05-04 04:48 PM
    Well said eager_immi. Getting GC and getting job and earning is not the only thing in life.

    maybe not. but does prevent the things that life is worth living for.

    imho coming to the US was the worst mistake of my life. it took me about 5 years to see through the lies that the system, the employers and other desis propogate regarding h1 and prospects in US.

    you can't get fair treatment as long as you are on h1. that is why the others will not let you get out of h1.



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  • eb3_nepa
    06-26 04:30 PM
    Umm, Eb3_Nepa, speeding is breaking the law. A speed limit is the law. In pointing out that a speeder is fined but an illegal immigrant is deported, you are pointing out the difference in punishment for breaking the law. The punishment is man's decree, nothing more, nothing less. One could argue that a speeder can cause more harm to society (by driving way faster than conditions permit, for instance) than an illegal immigrant. Yes, an illegal immigrant is breaking the law, but who knows what we would do if we had a bad life and made $1 a day and someone promises a better paying job in some other country. So let us not point fingers here, but focus instead on the value we add.

    You are getting into this discussion late and I have edited/deleted posts, but from my comments you have an idea of what was said. It wasn't productive.


    Stucklabour i am not going deep into the illegals issue here. What i am saying is, that if some members sympathise with the illegals, that is perfectly fine with me, you may be more humanitarian than i am and you have a right to be. My point was, that being in the country illegally is considered more of an offence than a speeding violation not by you, or me, or anyone BUT by the US Govt.

    Also just to let everyone know i am not pointing any fingers at anyone here. I dont know about you, but let me tell you why I came here. It was not money particularly that brought me here. It was the fact that inspite of doing an Engineering degree, jobs were almost impossible to come by. Inspite of being a BE from a Fairly decent Engineering college in India, i have had to work in conditions Far worse than some of the workers in that company would have to (and this was after holding a supervisor's position). My family could not afford to send me here to study outright, so we scrambled for loans and scholarships. That being done I changed professions to do a Master's in IT and completely change fields. My point is, i did all that by staying WELL under the umbrella of the law. I speak for the many many master's students who come here after studying in India and go thru faily poor student life conditions due to lack of money during college. Once again we did it the LEGAL way. We waited for our turns. You gave me a figure of $1/day that illegals make. I was making Indian Rs 4,500/month (after doing a 4 year bachelors in Engineering) which is abt $3.00/day. I also knew my batch mates making even less than that a month. So does that mean that if i came to the US illegally, i would be justified in doing so coz we were making really less money? Also while staying here, we were 3 roommates accompanied by 3 mice in our apartment and abt 2000 roaches coz the apartment was REALLY old. :) Even there i know lots of my batch mates who underwent similar and worse problems.

    Please dont take my post the wrong way, i am sure there are many many more like me who have had it MUCH worse than i did. I dont want to bring my personal problems in public. But when i read things like, "lets put ourselves in their shoes" argument, i could not just sit back and and pretend like it is ok to break the law and actually be rewarded for it.

    You are a moderator and by that right you may delete my post, but just to clear matters, i am not againt any community in particular, just against people being rewarded for breaking the law on grounds that they were making less money.




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  • snathan
    02-12 06:31 PM
    So far $1805...come on guys



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  • JunRN
    09-12 07:43 PM
    You could be looking at the wrong Service Center for the Receipting Update.

    For example, you sent your application to NSC and now, you're looking at NSC Receipting Update which tells us "July 29"....and you question, I sent my application on July 5, why until now I don't have my receipts?

    The most logical answer is that if your application was sent to NSC but transferred to TSC; you should look at TSC Receipting Update which says "July 2".




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  • X-Wing
    07-06 04:01 PM
    Order # FNK1821065

    Deliver on: Tuesday, Jul. 10, 2007

    Gift Message and Signature: Thank you for giving us Hope for a few hours on July 1st and then taking it away. We enjoyed the ride and felt the pain. Wish you all the best for future Employment Based visa estimates on Visa Bulletins.

    All, keep up the good work!!



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  • kosars
    08-25 02:47 PM
    applied July 2nd recieved July 3rd. Entered on 23rd Aug. Got the nos from the back of the checks. Waiting for the Receipts in mail




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  • Refugee_New
    08-18 01:05 PM
    Everybody has been waiting for his/her green card and congratulations to all those who has got their GC. On the other hand it is really unfair and to some extent unethical on the part of USICS not follow a fair system.
    There are several people in 2004, 2005 who have been paitently waiting for their turn only to see that people behind them getting approved.
    Several of us have writtent to Ombudsman, Director but of no avail.
    Not sure what else can be done? Any Idea? Do we have any liaison with AILA who can take up this matter.

    You are talking about 2004, 05. What about 2001, 2002 and 2003? There are so many people with 2002 priority dates still waiting just like me. Mine is 02/2002

    What a unfair/unethical/inhuman system. I curse everyone who is causing this delay. They will all land up in hell.



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  • waitingnwaiting
    02-15 09:08 AM
    How about we ask our lawyers to contribute for this event?




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  • arumalla
    07-09 11:09 AM
    I guess I saw a mistake on the writing....

    On July 13th, 2007, DoS provided a glimmer of hope to these aspiring legal immigrants, by announcing in their visa bulletin (http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_3258.html) that all Employment-based green card applicants and their dependents would be eligible to apply for their Green cards, during the month of July 2007

    It is June 13th not July13th the first visa bulletin sent out by DoS.

    Thanks
    Chandra



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  • h1b_forever
    06-26 11:16 AM
    There were times when people with certain disease were discriminated against.
    Now that seems to be happening to people with EAD / GC(sometimes).




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  • odf
    06-14 08:31 AM
    I am also on the same boat.Application filled on 5th June still no news,checks have not been cleared yet.

    My 485 applications reached NSC on June 4th, 2007. I have called my attorney. They haven't received anything so far. I need to wait for few more days./




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  • ThanksIV
    12-08 04:22 PM
    Sorry to hear your situration, but don't lose hope, miracle will happen to good people.




    rajuram
    03-08 01:55 AM
    Go Outback tonight. Life will still be here tomorrow.

    Different things work for different people - whatever works for you or engages your time/attention, indulge in it in most of your spare-time and try to divert your "screaming" energy, constructively...

    I know it is easier said than done - but, this is life and no one said it's going to be easy...

    One of my friend always says "The best security if the money you have in your bank a/c". Rings true...:)




    cool_desi_gc
    04-26 09:29 AM
    Lets not get sucked into it..

    1) If there is a clause that you cannot join thier client directly, then it has to respected.These clauses are valid in court.

    2) What is there in the agreement if you join their client ? There should be a penality specified in the agreement if the clause in broken.

    Lessons learnt

    1) Why the hell did you sign the agreement without looking at these clauses ?

    2) Why din't you have a copy of the agreement with you ?

    I have seen many companies having a similar clause.There are some American companies as well that have similar clauses that you cannot join their clients within X months after employement termination.Generally you can work these things out with your employer and join the client if you leave with good terms.

    But he cannot withhold your salary regardless.Thats against the law.They can penalize you but cannot withhold your salary.



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  • myvoice23
    08-13 09:26 AM
    Did anyone receive card mailed e-mail/status update? I saw one member receive that.

    Today I received an email "Approval notice sent."

    Application Type: I485, APPLICATION TO REGISTER PERMANENT RESIDENCE OR TO ADJUST STATUS

    Current Status: Approval notice sent.

    On August 12, 2008, we mailed you a notice that we have approved this I485 APPLICATION TO REGISTER PERMANENT RESIDENCE OR TO ADJUST STATUS. Please follow any instructions on the notice. If you move before you receive the notice, call customer service.


    I was expecting my cards for the last 2 days. But nothing happend, hope I will receive my cards by this Friday.




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  • f16mav
    11-19 08:04 AM
    Just sent in mine.




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  • jitian
    11-18 12:22 PM
    just done. North Carolina (two senators and Sur Myrick)




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  • anzerraja
    07-20 10:19 AM
    Some of the members have missed entering the pledge amount.

    Could you please enter the pledge amount so that we can keep track of the total ?



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  • sam2006
    07-20 12:24 PM
    Congratulations Aman !!!


    100 $ more from my side once the Checks get cleared !!!




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  • vaishnavilakshmi
    11-22 04:05 AM
    Mehul,

    Sorry to know about ur health issue.As some one in forum mentioned,u could approach the best doctor first and get your treatment done.Greencards etc are secondary when there could be a better way to survive.

    we pray for u and ur family,
    wish u all the best,
    vaishu



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  • ub27
    07-29 08:53 AM
    Recieved an email just now. Status was updated to card production ordered.

    Paper filed at TSC on May 22, 2008
    Service center: TSC
    Last LUD on July 25 (Previous update was on May 25)
    Current status: Card production ordered.
    Waiting till I get the card .........

    Just got an e-mail telling my approval notice for EAD was mailed:

    Paper filed at TSC on May 22

    On July 28, 2008, we mailed you a notice that we have approved this I765




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  • shana04
    07-20 11:27 AM
    Could some body please let me know on how to contribute ?

    I pledge $100.

    Thanks,
    Balakishore

    ( Contributed $100 till today )

    Friend,

    I have contributed through the link on home page.

    Thanks,
    Shana04



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  • pvpb
    09-28 01:01 PM
    My checks did not get cashed yet...checking my acct daily..


    see my signature, no receipts till date money order not cashed, Called USCIS got an answer.... "Not yet in the System", but IO told me there is a big junk of files and it will be processed in next 30 or 40 days.

    Venkat, if you are sure your check got cashed please contact USCIS they will provide you receipts




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  • ink_123
    08-30 03:38 PM
    Got the receipts for 485 applied on July 2nd to NSC. NSC--> TSC transfer. Notice date of 8/23.



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  • AabTuAgaGC
    08-31 10:09 AM
    Congratulations. Mine was also delivered on the same date, 7/27. Did you get the receipts or your Attorney? Is your case EB2?

    My Attorney got it and mailed it to me. My case is EB3. Hope this helps!:)




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  • acecupid
    07-03 01:29 PM
    still valid link

    http://www.ftd.com/350/catalog/product.epl?product_id=F488
    http://www.proflowers.com/landingSearch.aspx?pageid=Search&REF=FGVSRCHgoogskwd+online+flowers&NoExitPopup=Y&matchtype=search&KEYWORD=online+flowers&adtext=761026040&network=google

    any vendor is fine. its a token of protest

    I think its important to mention this is a protest of the actions done by them, otherwise the morons might think we are appreciating their work..


    Please make sure this is a protest and your message should convey that. I'm sure the morons would think otherwise if we dont make it clear to them.:D



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  • Ahimsa
    10-25 01:13 PM
    ... Our stand alone SKULL bill - not sure whether that will be considered by Democrats. Democrats will probably address the Dream Act before they take over the SKULL bill...

    ... Yes, but the immigration hearings already happened. People already have a clear indication on what the public wants. Lou Dobbs is still out there reminding them...

    1. Why do you keep mentioning SKIL bill clearly as SKULL bill in all your posts?
    2. Did people clearly indicate they did not want reliefs for EB immigrants - did they accept Lou Dobbs' lies on H-1B such as "H-1Bs do not pay taxes, are cheap labor, are stealing american jobs"?




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  • srikondoji
    07-05 11:08 AM
    Individually.

    Do we send the flowers individually or collectively? I am in either way.



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  • EB3_SEP04
    08-12 06:20 PM
    Just got an email that EAD card production ordered
    when did u file? Paper filed to Texas (as the thread title says)?




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  • ragz4u
    04-30 10:34 AM
    We have received reports that Sen. Cornyn will be introducing a bill called the SKIL (Securing Knowledge Innovation and Leadership) bill on May 1st 2006. As can be guessed from the title, this bill has lots of pro-legal immigration clauses. We will make the details that we have received public once we get the permission to do so.

    Though Immigration Voice is currently focussing on the Comprehensive Immigration Bill as that is hot right now, we are also closely following the PACE and SKIL bills to try and ensure that high-skilled legal immigrants can make the best of it.



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  • newbie2020
    05-02 11:37 AM
    Here are my predictions

    EB3 ROW Dec 06
    China: 8 May 03
    India: 01 Feb 02

    EB2 ROW C
    India 08 Mar 04
    China 08 Mar 04




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  • abhisam
    07-10 02:49 AM
    nobody has talked about a rally in LA... maybe infront of the Federal building in Westwood... I can initiate if I have couple of more volunteers to help me. If we have this rally on July 28, we will have ample time to arrange for people, etc...




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  • SeanDell
    05-30 07:43 PM
    Has anyone used AVR recently coming back from Canada?




    jgh_res
    07-20 02:25 PM
    I pledged 100 $ today for Aman's expenses because I felt really bad abt that. I donated around 300$ till date including 20$ recurring contribution.
    I filed my 485 long time ago. But when people who are really seeing the fruits of IV (July VB reversal) are higly reluctant to donate even a few bucks, while they are spending thousand's of dollars for their 485 stuff, I am kinda confused.
    Are people really that selfish not to donate a few bucks(may be 5$per month) to an organization which is making them file 485 and reversed all this fiasco.


    Zoooom, Anzeraja & All pledgers,

    Thanks for driving this effort. Subsequent to Aman's post, we can direct these pledges to the normal contribution drive for IV.

    It was amazing to see such response to call for funds for Aman and other core members.




    jkays94
    05-25 06:45 PM
    Shouldn't IV ammend the text of the email to better reflect the negative impact of the Bernie Sander's ammendment ? The Senators (who are known for not often reading voluminous legislation in detail) may have voted with their hearts for this ammendment thinking this was going to help students in their states. I think IV members who are their constituents should have a means of letting their Senators know the effect of their actions and for those who voted against it they should be congratulated for voting against this harmful ammendment. They may have thought of this as win-win situation. Yet they may have not known the following points (read the study its detailed):

    http://www.nfap.com/pdf/0507brief-business-immigration.pdf

    U.S. businesses pay over $91 billion a year in state and local taxes directed toward public education, while the mandated scholarship and training fees U.S. companies pay for each H-1B professional hired are approaching $2 billion since 1999, according to this National Foundation for American Policy analysis. These findings undermine the argument that companies should not be permitted to hire international students and other foreign nationals on skilled visas unless they do more to support U.S. education.

    For example Bernie Sanders spent his time barraging Microsoft and used quotations from Microsoft executives to argue for the $5000 fee for H1-B filings. Had other Senators been educated on how the H1-B program has benefitted the US economy they would have reconsidered their positions :

    The figures presented in this analysis show the argument against H-1B visas further falls apart when examining the already substantial taxes, fees, and charitable contributions made by U.S. companies. The Gates Foundation alone, funded by Microsoft stock, has contributed $3 billion to U.S. public education since 1999.

    Record of Senators who voted for or against the ammendment (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00179)